The Forever Machine

The Forever Machine The government ordered it built a thinking machine that could foresee catastrophe and eliminate human error Research trainee Joe Carter sees another possibility create a machine that will make ordinar

  • Title: The Forever Machine
  • Author: Mark Clifton FrankRiley
  • ISBN: 9780881848427
  • Page: 482
  • Format: Paperback
  • The government ordered it built a thinking machine that could foresee catastrophe and eliminate human error Research trainee Joe Carter sees another possibility create a machine that will make ordinary people telepathic and immortal Full of excitement, richly rewarding Galaxy.

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    1. The Forever Machine (originally "They'd Rather be Right") was the second novel to win the Hugo award for best novel in science fiction back in 1955. As part of my quest to read every Hugo-winning novel, I struggled all the way to the bitter end. Part of what makes this book hard to read is that it has so much potential. The fundamental thesis of the book is that human beings are inextricably mired in prejudice and ignorance that education cannot correct. As Joe, the central protagonist puts it, [...]

    2. Oh goodness. This 1955 Hugo winner nearly broke the Hugos. It was actually downright bad in parts, a catastrophic mess in others, and the handwavium was practically everywhere you looked, even in basic logic and common knowledge. I almost gave the novel a one star for all the clichés and the grab-bag of old SF tropes mixed together to create a single clever idea that was subsequently beat into a fleshy pulp.Oh my.So why am I giving this three stars? Because I realized something fairly late into [...]

    3. Sophomoric inconsistent philosophy that reminded of nothing more than Ayn Rand, with her arrogant supermen. Other reviewers, especially Nathaniel, say it better than I could, and in fact quote some of the same passages that I would. The take on the worthiness of scientists is especially inconsistent - what is going on that this had two authors? One for the sociology and one for the SF plot, and they had different opinions about science? I dunno.Too bad. There is potential. In an age when too muc [...]

    4. (2/63) In my Hugo Read-Through         They’d Rather be Right (The Forever Machine) by Mark Clifton and Frank Riley, was originally serialized in Astounding Science fiction in 1954. It controversially received the second Hugo Award for a novel in 1955. Historically this book has been regarded as the “worst” Hugo Award winner ever and has been accused of plot holes, poor writing, and even has made some critics question the public who chose it for a win.       I went into this book a [...]

    5. Often derided as the worst book ever to win a Hugo, They'd Rather Be Right is a prime example of the disposable pulp fiction that flourished during Sci-Fi's "Golden Age." The novel's central character, Joe, is basically a benevolent version of The Mule from Asimov's Foundation and Empire, the most obvious regurgitation in a work defined by its tendency to retread ideas that even then were already thoroughly explored.Clifton's interest in the then-promising science of psychology is as enthusiasti [...]

    6. I'm glad I didn't read any reviews before reading the book. I'm completely baffled why this book is panned so heavily. I thoroughly enjoyed the book. Yes, there were some typos in the printing. Big deal. I thought the story was captivating and there was some interesting commentary on human psychology, especially toward the end. Avoid the naysayers and give this book a try. I think the majority of the negative reviews are from people who have accepted the opinion that this is "the worst book to w [...]

    7. Storyline: 3/5Characters: 2/5Writing Style: 3/5Resonance: 2/5This winner of the second Hugo award for novels would later be scorned by critics as the worst book ever to win the Hugo. Who's right? The voters in 1955 or the later science fiction authors with their advantages of hindsight?I, myself, reveled in the story's ambition. This is a tale of grand ideas, of the total social fact. Clifton and Riley were toying with and developing criticisms of the scientific enterprise before the more famous [...]

    8. This book cleverly and compellingly explores the question of how our dogmatic, deeply-rooted beliefs may (indeed, do) prevent us from advancing, or even availing ourselves of advances and new knowledge that would significantly, even dramatically improve our situation (social/philosophical inertia). More directly, it explores the question of whether the actual truth is preferable or “healthier” than our perceived “truth”—in short, what we think the truth should be versus what it is—an [...]

    9. Sinceramente me esperaba mucho más.Me ha parecido muy 'estadounidense' y el mundo de la telepatía y todo eso, está bien, pero no me ha interesado demasiado como lo abordan.Cita preferida:"La verdad asusta al ser humano. Este planta falsas ideas en los escombros de su mente para esconderse de la clara luz blanca que trae la verdad. Sus razonamientos derrotan la sabiduría de la verdad. En sus prejuicios y en sus ideas preconcebidas, el ser humano dicta, con antelación, la forma que ha de tene [...]

    10. This book was the first book to win the Hugo Award for science fiction in 1955, one year after the prize was announced. It is a science and philosophy book which could be considered boring upon today's standards. It was a limited enjoinment in reading this book, more curiosity to see how things have progressed since.I want to read all the Hugo winners in their orders. So my next one is Double Star by Robert Heinlein (Hugo 1956).

    11. “one of the twelve most influential books in science fiction.” said Barry N. Malzberg but I can't imagine why. There's nothing novel (even for the time of writing, I think) about it, and a whole lot of handwaving. It's not influencing me, at least in any good way.

    12. Considering that this book was written before my Dad was born, it's understandable that it's a little dated. Some of the "futuristic" technologies that are presented in this book include artificial intelligence, computers that understand speech, and a global network whereby computers can communicate with each other (what we would term the internet). The book makes a point to show how radical these ideas are by the surprised reactions of various characters when they encounter these technologies. [...]

    13. The second Hugo-winning novel, written in 1954, was a disappointing example of a good idea that ends up nowhere interesting. Takes place in late twentieth century or early twenty-first, in a society that is crumbling because opinions that disrupt the status quo are universally quashed. In that society, the government sponsors a university project to create a machine that is meant to prevent accidents before they happen, and the only way to do that is effectively recreate the human mind. The proj [...]

    14. I picked up this book, as it seems almost anyone who reads it these days does, simply because it has a reputation for being 'The Worst Book to ever win a Hugo Award." How can you resist a reputation like that? It took quite a bit of effort to track down a copy too, (+10 points to Sony's ebookstore for having a copy, -15 for charging 8 bucks for an out of print book in a format unreadable by half my devices) but once I secured one, I settled in for what I expected to be a laughable ride.I spent t [...]

    15. The ideas in this book are challenging and interesting and provoke some interesting meditations on the human condition. However, the style of the book is exceptionally off-putting, so it takes a good deal of willpower to look past it and actually engage with those ideas.Mostly this book feels like the self-important theorizing of a young white man who is overly impressed with his own philosophical genius. The sentences are too long and the language too clumsy. The main character, Joe, is a very [...]

    16. A prime example where the description of the book had very little to do with it. The story has hardly anything to do about the Bossy "machine" but rather about the people. One is trying to find and later make more psychics like himself. Another is worried that society hasn't produced any new ideas in a very long time. In end, the book goes nowhere. Another bad attribute is each chapter seems to be disjointed from the rest and starts to really ramble at the end. Sorry I decided to read this one b [...]

    17. I'm at a loss how this novel won the Hugo. I'd like to believe it is an unfortunate victim of the ever improving standards against which Hugo candidates are measured, or that there was a dearth of competitive candidates in 1954-55. But then I recall that that was the same publication year as "I am Legend", "Brainwave" and all three novels of Tolkein's "The Lord of the Rings" saga.They could have done better.That said, it did win and warrants a (quick) read if only to serve as a cautionary lesson [...]

    18. Although this novel about a super computer is a bit dated and silly it makes some good points, and it is a quick easy read, unlike most science fiction novels.The main theme of the book is that science and human advancement is greatly impeded by the establishment’s refusal to think outside the box.

    19. They'd Rather Be right was fun read. Some of the questions posed by Clifton are highly interesting in relation to today's world, a world that is filled with neural networks, machine learning, autonomous bots and other advances in artificial intelligence. While we certainly don't have any machines that have granted humanity immortality, I do wonder how much of Clifton's pseudo-scientific vision of the future he would actually find fulfilled through the decades of science and research that have be [...]

    20. **Hugo/Nebula Awards Reading Challenge - 44 of 93**For an award winning sci fi novel, this book was hard to get my hands on. It wasn't available via any of my usual retail outlets, but then it turned virtually for free as part of a post-copyright 99c anthology on . I mention this because it's the perfect analogy for this terrible and important book.The writing is average at best but I awarded it five stars anyway, because the ideas are magnificent. The 1950's science is quaint, but sensible and [...]

    21. This is the very first novel that won Hugo, which is the number one science fiction & fantasy award. There are a lot of comments here on that this is bad novel and that it shouldn’t be in the list, etc. I disagree. This is a classical example of the golden age SF, pulps that had not a lot of science in them but great imagination. It’ll tingle your nostalgia nerve if you are after such kind of book, but if you prefer more modern SF it may seem weak.The story concerns Joe Carter, the firs [...]

    22. This book is terrible. I'm kind of rethinking the whole "read all the Hugo winners in a row" idea. At first I thought it was just crudely-written and anti-intellectual, but later it turned openly hostile against specific scientific disciplines, to the point that it seemed like Scientology? Kind of? Did this guy know L Ron Hubbard or something? Because a lot of the same bullshit is in there. This jarring intrusion of hypocritical nonsense (I cringed every single one of the 300+ times someone said [...]

    23. Expanded edition of They'd Rather Be Right, the book with the dubious distinction of being considered by many to be the worst ever to win the Hugo. With its heavy use of purple prose, poor character development and overt Scientology propaganda, it's admittedly not great, but I've read worse that won sci fi's most prestigious award, at least in my not so humble opinion. It's mostly enjoyable in a pulpy sort of way, and even comments on relationship between man and technology in a surprisingly per [...]

    24. This has the dubious distinction of being considered by many to be the worst book ever to win the Hugo. With its heavy use of purple prose, poor character development and overt Scientology propaganda, it's admittedly not great, but I've read worse that won sci fi's most prestigious award, at least in my not so humble opinion. It's mostly enjoyable in a pulpy sort of way, and even comments on relationship between man and technology in a surprisingly pertinent way.

    25. This novel had several ideas that were fairly interesting, yet it seemed that none of them quite panned out. One of the many, many reasons why I did not like this book was that it was a very "I'll tell you what happened" instead of "I'll show you what happened". It read like a textbook, lifeless, stating things that happened, very monotone. It was a chore to read and I just want to high five everyone else who go through this book.

    26. Ugh. Don't even get me started. I really struggled to get through this one. To date the worst hugo winner I have read. Poorly crafted in my opinion. Didn't really make sense. I didn't care about what happened to the characters, to BOSSY, to the world. It was a real trudge.

    27. My feelings are conflicted about this book, but not enough that I think it's anything other than a bad book. The overall theme is too simple: that all can benefit from seeing things from multiple perspectives, and being too tied to your beliefs, rather than evidence, holds you back. Well, duh, but okay. Does this book explore that idea in a meaningful way? No, it goes completely off the rails. First, it poses some sort of bizarre psychotherapy that can solve the aging process and counter gravity [...]

    28. Apparently a sequel to two shorter works, “Crazy Joey” (written with Alex Apostolides) and “Hide! Hide! Witch!” (written solo), both published in Astounding in 1953. They’d Rather Be Right appeared in the same magazine as a serial in 1954. Both of these stories are alluded to in the early pages of They’d Rather Be Right, not by title but in general background information. We don’t actually get the content of either, but are left to assume what might have happened based on hints dro [...]

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